At 50:56 you speak of BJR as he tells Claire that what he and Jamie created together was beautiful. That is the moment, I think, he realized that he REALLY liked Jamie and became a bit fixated on him in a very unhealthy way. I am curious to see BJR's reaction to the fact that he won't have Claire to kick around.
This episode really played well off of the first. Clair worked on leg wounds in both episodes and her efforts were seemingly dismissed when the male physician showed up. Claire knew what Frank did during the war but they hadn't had enough time together to deal with the traumas they both suffered in service. BJR's fake plea for her sympathy must have been exactly what she had hoped to hear from Frank. Which "blow" did she feel more - the physical or the mental?
Sweeeeeeet recap ladies! The video and audio quality was awesome.
Talk about Easter eggs... did you notice what was lying next to the shaving razor on the Title Card at the start of the episode? Frank's 1940s wrist watch! (confirmed by Ron M.) You hit the nail on the head - this episode did a great job portraying Claire's mind-freak over seeing Frank's face on the body of this monster.
OMG, Tobias was amazing! All of those facial tics, sneers, teeth baring, chewing motions totally gave me the creeps. I know why he poured the bottle of claret out the window - because he prefers a nice chianti with his fava beans!
While we're giving out rewards, let's save one for scriptwriter Ira Steven Bahr. What a genius! I hear he also wrote the other 3 episodes that deal with BJR.
I was inappropriately unfazed by the physical gore of the flailing because I was utterly transfixed by the psychological horrors of Randall's narration of that scene. (shudder)
I think that any thought of Randall having any redeemable factors went POOF the second he gut punched Claire. MIKEY LIKES IT! I also think that BJR (and Tobias) are just playing us with all of this "damaged by the things he's seen during the war" bullcrap. BJR was damaged long before the war - the war simply gave him an arena to play out his sick fantasies. But I do think that Claire was naively attributing the remorse that Frank was struggling with (from episode 1) to Randall.
Loved Dougal coming to the rescue! Dude was BRINGING IT! He can grind my corn any day!
Loved the Claire-Jamie encounter and Claire stomping off with Dougal's whiskey at the end. I thought it was very well done, and it was the perfect mind bleach that I needed after watching all of those BJR scenes.
Val Gal, loved that storming off with Dougal's whisky encounter too. Did you notice when the young clansman (Willie?) nudges Dougal as Claire approaches - as if to say - OK watch out, here she comes... ...such a great touch.
I fell in love with Willie in that scene after the bar room brawl when Claire was giving the boyz a scolding while she was patching them up. Those puppy dawg eyes of his just made me go awwwww! I feel very materrrrr-nal about him. I swear, if they sent him off to Culloden I'm gonna stomp my granny arse right out on to the battlefield and drag him home by the ear!
Sorry for me I havn't seen this episode (I'm from Canada, eh) Just a thought about Johnny not Lord John. Could it be that Claire has a run in with him at Wentworth Prison, perhaps has to remorsefully kill him?
When I watched the Episode for the first time, all I could think during Randalls and Claires redemption Talk was that BJR is way beyond redemption at this point. He might have been able to redeem himself a few years ago, but that ship has sailed. I think that he DID tell the truth, but not because he wants to be redeemed, but to bullshit and lure in Claire. He told her what she wanted to hear. In that he totally reminded me of one of those deep sea fish which have some sort of lantern dangling from their nose to catch other fish. Show them what they like, lure them in and eat them when they least expect it. BJR knew he had her when he said 'that made you happy'. On a different note, I LOVED the way Sam delivered the 'at least one of us should ken what they're doing'. You could tell that he is secretly looking forward to it. He really looked like a 23 year old virgin who is happy to finally 'do it' with a braw lassie ;) He is burning, and she would have noticed if she wouldn't have been so distressed.
Enjoying your video, gals. I was surprised to hear BJR use the term "rehabilitate" when talking about himself.... it's not a term I would expect to hear someone use in the 18th C. What do you think?
Interesting. Here's the etymology from New Oxford (aka the Mac dictionary): ORIGIN late 16th cent. (in the sense ‘restore to former privileges’): from medieval Latin rehabilitat-, from the verb rehabilitare (see re-,habilitate) .
So I guess it's plausible that the word might exist...but yeah, it does have a 21st century ring to it....
Love, love, love you guys. Thank you for this site. I am a new-comer to the Outlander books, having just started reading them this summer. (yes, I am kicking myself for waiting so long) and am currently on book 5. Black Jack Randall is a psychopath and sadist. Yes, he has seen war and brutality, but that did not change him. He merely lucked into a situation (the military) where his brutality can be unleashed with impunity. The comment about what a "masterpiece" this flaying was consolidated for me his love of inflicting pain and suffering. It made my skin crawl. And poor Claire is sitting there weeping because I think she is trying to reconcile how this monster can possibly be related to the husband she knew and loved. I think this is a turning point in how she sees Jamie. His refusal to cave in to Randall's torture casts him in a new light, I think. His suffering appeals to her nurse's heart. Recall that despite being flustered at the thought of a forced marriage, she is still trying to find a way to escape! Keep up the great work!! Counting the minutes till next episode! --Helen
Just so you all know... I KNEW that was Brian! From the moment I saw him I said screamed out that's him!
I have to say that Tobias was AMAZING in this episode. For some reason I have a hard time watching him. I can't pin it down as to why but there was no question that he was absolutely awesome. In the books you learn to not like BJR because of his actions in the past and some that are yet to be on screen but his interactions with Claire never scared me. Even the part in the book that the last episode touched on wasn't scary in the books. The episode was incredibly terrifying and quite revealing. I mean... shit just got real y'all.
How fun it would be to sit in person with you guys and 'chat'! Love to watch your videos and keep up with your posting. I live in the Nebraska Panhandle....where we actually do not have 'high speed internet'. We have to have Satellite and you get penalized if you go over the allotted bandwidth. I must tell you, it is well worth it to pay $10 extra for 1 GB so my internet will get in your videos - if I have gone over the bandwidth. Fun Fun Fun
This episode was gob smackingly good! I'm still walking around in a daze.
A few tidbits: A dragoon is a mounted infantry officer - cavalry. In our F & I reenacting unit, Rogers' Rangers, those hats are called bonnets and are usually always worn on the same side because they form to the head after a while.
Dougal.....oh my. He is just a woollen ball of whiskery, manly confoundedness, huh? He can save my day any day of the week! He reminds me so much of my husband, too. Physically & sometimes personality. He seemed to have softened more to Claire when she told LT "Not Lord John" that she was a guest of the MacKenzies. I loved when he virtually shoved CPL Hawkins off Claire with a look alone!
Speaking of LT "Not Lord John" I definitely agree that we'll be seeing him again. Wentworth, I'm thinking?
In re-watching the episode, I noticed two things about the dinner scene with Gen Thomas. Dougal's accent seemed to have broadened and I think he did it to make the General look uncomfortable in front of his men (because the General is obviously an asshat.) After Dougal left, they melded things together to show the passage of time as they ate. Did you notice that one of those somewhat blurry smoothed over parts was actually the next bit of conversation when Claire said, "In that case, I'll have some more wine." I was surprised they showed that twice. Hmmm.
The whole bit with the razor was gripping (both past and present.) I cannot even describe the approach to the entire BJR/flogging scenes. Chilling, gory, fantastic. The flogging was so much worse than I could've imagined. My mouth is still hanging open.
As Claire was listening to BJR and also later when she was reading the marriage contract, I couldn't help but wonder if she thought, "If I ever get back, how can I look into Frank's eyes the same?" I'm sure she'd daydream about explaining all this to Frank, how would he ever believe her about the ancestor he idolized?
I also noticed Claire's hair at St. Ninnian's spring. I'd assumed they'd ridden through the rain, again. The treatment of her hair is just, just, sigh.
When she and Jamie are chatting about the marriage, she would have been so bewildered by the events of the day (which Jamie would've heard all about) I'm sure Jamie's politeness was an endearing change, even though she was having the day from hell. And his virginity a smile maker, if nothing else.
My lone criticism of the show is that we've seen so little of Jamie's character. I could've done with fewer horse hooves in exchange for more of Jamie's personality and the friendship between he and Claire that develops. It's a shame that the TV only audience doesn't know about that friendship. :-(
I thought the ending of this episode was perfect! (Gosh, she reminds me so much of me sometimes. It's what originally caught me hook, line and sinker into the books. Now I know I definitely must sound like a crazy fan, LOL!)
See you next week! I'll still be blotting my forehead with my handkerchief, I'm sure... ;-)
Anon - you are awesome for posting this. I sent it to Tracey and said I think I'll be doing a little word-subbing. ;) And PS - you should hear our song about Diana's hubby, Doug!!! At some point, that video WILL BE MADE!!! :)
What was the thing with Black Jack's mouth when talking alone with Claire? Or am I thinking weird? It was like...inside his mind..he was ready for attack mode. Geez he gets an award for looking so wicked and loving it. What a deceiver he was.
Love your show. It has become my Monday ritual to listen while I work.
This weeks episode was awesomely disturbing. My husband whose not read the books watches with me. He was totally shocked by the last 15 minutes but I knew what was coming. I don't mind the spoilers as I've read this series of books only once over the course of years and it helps jog my memory. You know, so many books, so little time. I did wonder if the gentleman at the flogging was Brian as I remembered he was supposed to witness it.
It brings a whole new meaning to series to see it played out in real time. To remember these are real people having real emotions (even though it is acting). When you read the books of course it is disturbing, sad, and a plethora of other emotions but seeing it gives a way different perspective. BJR did an amazing job of making us hate him and long for his demise.
BJR is hard to watch. He makes these little like gopher movements with his mouth that just adds to the ugliness of his character. He is a sadist and and probably a little narcissistic. You can see that he hated Jamie for not giving in but it's hard to tell if it's personal at this point or if he would have treated anyone who stood up to him that way. Of course later in the series, it's all made clear.
It would be horrible to try to keep love and feelings alive for someone in the future when they look so much like the monster sitting across from you in the past. How would you reconcile the two in your mind? Especially when Claire goes back to the future. Will be interesting to see how it plays out and what the flashbacks look like then.
Claire and Frank love each other you can tell. Is it a love born out of mutual respect, some attraction and they have the same career? Who knows as love has different levels. Jamie's love on the other hand is all consuming and encompasses every being of your fiber. It's a once in a life time kind of love. I can't wait to see it unfold in real time. :)
Great job on the podcast, can't wait to hear your thoughts next week.
We love you back, Anon. I often wonder if I'd have been able to listen to/watch a vid like ours back when I was working in an office...and the answer is always an emphatic YES. LOL I'd just look around...giggle a bit...put in earphones...and make damn sure to have a spreadsheet of some sort up on my screen so I could flip back and forth. ;)
And PS - Thank YOU for taking the time to type all this out!!! :)
I don't think BJR had PTSD or saw 'horrors' during his time in the military to cause him to go dark. Speaking strictly from the tv series, listen to what he actually says in that scene. He says he used to be a different man. That he thought serving his king and country in Scotland would be great, but then found the Scots to be stupid and violent (no implication of anything horrific) and then began to hate the world. So basically, he just became a monster because of job dissatisfaction, not because of some traumatic experience that scarred him emotionally. I think that makes him even more twisted!
Great podcast!! And since you asked, I LOVE the spoilers! I mean come on, you two ARE book readers, and I think it's a great shame that we wouldn't be able to get some of your perspectives on the books vs. the series. Not all the way through though. The people who don't want to be spoiled should be able to enjoy too. I like the one video where you had the little starry spoiler alert effects.
I just want to say how much I enjoy this podcast each week, You guys do such a great job of breaking it all down and in such an entertaining way. Thanks so much for the smiles! Di@outlanderfansforum
ROFLMAO ANON!!!!! OMG It's so funny. I wish I could answer all these posts but yours made me almost spit out my coffee...and I had to tell you. I seriously thought you were going to give us shit about calling him that...until I saw "McBaby Handsomeness"...and then I just about peed my pantalones. THANK YOU for the laugh!!!! :)
I loved, loved, loved this episode, and yes, Tobias was genius!! I thought this change in how Claire gets to meet BJR again makes perfect sense. You are both so right in saying this episode really brought the tensions of the time to life. As to why Dougal didn't go upstairs after the amputation. I think he was making himself scarce, just like she told him to. You totally crack me up with the horror movie comparison!! Too true!! I also chuckle every time you call Sir Thomas Lord General or whatever--did you watch Gilbert & Sullivan's The Mikado this week or something?? Too funny! I totally agree with Tracy again this week, with her interpretation of Jamie's delivery of the, "As long as you don't care that I am..." lines. I pictured it as him using his witty humor. But the book is a work of art, everyone interprets it differently, and I am loving the chance to see this interpretation each week!
Well, I could quote most of Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are" in answer to whether you guys should do your recaps any differently, but I'll just say "Please, don't!" Like many of us, you are true long-term fans of the books. There's nothing you need to fix. Your perspective is fun, honest, and entertaining, and your enthusiasm is contagious. As far as I'm concerned, your videos are "FRESH" - NOT "spoiled!!" At the most, maybe post a general, all-purpose warning that you are book fans, that you do attempt to alert for spoilers, but that slip-ups can occur (sh*t happens) so "view at your own risk." Just my two cents.
As for this episode: Back when I read the corresponding scene in the book and Claire gets punched, I remember feeling bruised, winded, and nauseous right along with her. Cat definitely portrayed perfectly the pain and shock of that blow - a blow that was not just a physical blow, but a blow to her trust in the basic rules of behavior between an English officer and a lady. I'm only surprised that after the comment about Claire perhaps sharing Dougal's bed, that they didn't keep the line about how if she were with child, she wouldn't be now - just to add that extra dollop of "ick" to BJR.
Reading the books, I have often wondered if Frank ever came across a written description of a "Mrs. Claire Beauchamp" in any of BJR's notes or letters. Now, I'm wondering whether a sketch of her might have been in any of BJR's papers. DG has given us so many nuggets of possibilities in her books. I've even wondered if Frank's first encounter with Claire - supposedly while consulting with Uncle Lamb about Egyptian religious philosophy (or something of that nature) - was really as serendipitous as it sounded. Don't you just love a good mystery?
And BTW, my brother-in-law watched with us this week and said that a lot of people at his work are talking about the show. I didn't ask for specifics or demographics, but it sounds like a good sign. This last episode should REALLY get them talking!
Thanks so much for the hilarious and inciteful commentary. It gets me through the week until the next episode. I have some thoughts about BJR. ************spoilers**********
I really appreciate DG's inclusion of gay characters, good and bad. I think BJR has some huge self loathing issues about he attraction sexually to men. Not feminine men, but strong, manly, virile men who do not crack under pressure. Jack is a man's man who also is a misogynist. He would prefer if women didn't inhabit his world. They are "soft" and conniving deceivers. Claire was clearly crying when he was drawing her and when we saw the sketch she didn't look sad. She looked calculating. He has hated the world and his lot for a long time. The military just gives him the perfect venue to express his cruelty. "I dwell in darkness, Madame. " Indeed! I have more also but not until DIA next season.
Re: Spoilers I'm not sure if those that have only seen the TV show, and hasn't read the books, are following bloggers just yet. I take the stance that any site I follow, I'll come across spoilers at some point, so they are all enter at my own risk. I think it stifles discussion and thought processes to be self editing. Sure, dont bring things in that happen in later books, but I think anything within book 1 is all good. (And I'm one that tries to avoid spoilers! But if I'm on a fan site, or watching episode recaps, I expect things will be said. For me, it's all or nothing. If I reallllly don't want spoilers, I won't open the site) I also am not clear as to why the 'unnamed man' during the flogging is a big deal to know that he was there. I don't think it's a spoiler..knowing who that is doesn't give away plot, or really add to the story either. It's more of a nugget of information. Some book-only scenes may clarify things for non-book readers. It may fill in some blanks, or explain the layers of what's happening in scenes that they can't fit together.
Loved your recap as usual! Tracey you were wondering how claire missed that everyone had left for the skirmish (commander asshat ). from personal experience when you are into an emergency situation like she was with that amputation, you get totally focused on the task at hand and you dont pay any mind to who is doing what in your periphery. so I totally believed she was just trying to back track and figure out where every one had got to. I noticed a tick, both jack and frank, they clear their throat the same, frank does it when he first sits one the B&B bed and takes out a book and Jack does it during his interrogation. I watched claires face and she is just tearing up but something like that would be unnerving. Dying for next week, cannot wait!!! Sally
Your comments are like having someone fun to chat about our favorite show. Don't worry one iota about spoilers because they only serve to wet the appetite for what's to come. Yes, I would agree the Wedding episode should be epic. I love being able to watch over and again because there is so much to pick up and enjoy. One time thru only serves as temptation. please continue your fabulous ideas and interpretations because they serve to make watching Outlander all that much more enjoyable. Do you happen to know when the second half of the season begins in January, 2015? Keep up the delights exchanges!
Ooooh Chris...I wish! I keep thinking February...but that's just because I'm (sadly) a bit of a tv series hound...and that seems to be when a lot of them come back.
(Hey, at least I'm watching shows like Vikings on the History channel...and not "The Kardashians Do Dallas...AND Manhattan." ;) LOL Sorry - couldna resist!)
Love tha chat ladies...one strong opinion here, re "Dougal and the Brits". The brilliance of this scene and reparte is absolutely the palapable condescending/subhuman attitude the English felt for the Scots...and Dougal's awareness of it . Right off the giddyup, Claire was announced and and the BG cut off the soldier before he could properly announce Dougal...as if he were not even there. Secondly, I feel strongly that the BG probably knew what Dougal said at first, but deliberately made it obvious that he couldn't understand him. As my Dad would say, "He did it Deliberate!" --as a brush off. That is all for now...oh one more thing I caught on some other blog by a non-reader, " If they (J & C) don't bone in the next episode, I'm writing a scathing letter to STARZ! HA! PS...Blitz-read the series last fall and am forever changed for the better. You ladies kept me slightly sane till MOBY arrived. XOX Susie in Alaska
THANKS Susie!! And PS - "Subhuman" is the best description I've read in a looooong time. Nice work! AND - I agree that BG knew what Dougal said. Douche. I'd like to kick him in his oh-too-proper arse!!!
I don't think this was Ft. William. Lt Cute Babyface "invited" Claire to come speak to his commander where they are currently headquartered, and I think while at Ft. William, BJR is in charge, as the Garrison Commander. I think the officers at the dinner at not usually there - but I could be wrong about that.
Just want to send out a collective THANK YOU to all you guys for posting your comments. I LOVE reading them all and try to answer. Some weeks I'm pretty good...others I kinda suck. But I want you to know I get email updates when a comment comes in and I read EVERY SINGLE ONE of them - and I know Tracey does, too. So KEEP 'EM COMING!!! :)
Love your videos. That said, I must comment. I think that the "marriage contract" scene is played perfectly by Sam and Cait. Sam shows the most obvious suppressed glee in his body language and expressions as he sits down with Clare to discuss the marriage contract. The inner conflict Jamie has been feeling from the beginning of how to deal with (and keep hidden) his increasing sexual and emotional desire for Clare is obviously lightened substantially by the unexpected solution of being "required" to marry her. Especially when he can publicly play the martyr/hero for sacrificing his future to save her, but is really motivated to resolve his increasingly urgent emotional and physical need to be intimate with her. When Clare grabs the bottle to get drunk before signing the marriage contract, Sam plays Jamie so well that in an instant we see the barb to his heart and then his resolve. She clearly doesn't care that it is a slap to Jamie's pride (personally and publicly) that she so obviously does not wish to marry him. In the eye rolling glance he gives the men and then his desirous look to her as she stalks away with the bottle, we see his feelings hurt, but then his quick recovery and resolve that his dignity can take the punch and much more for the prospect of a sexual relationship with Clare. Absolutely awesome acting by Sam and Cait AND big applause for the director, producers, writers and everyone involved with this show. With all the build up, I can only hope the "wedding night" and romantic chemistry between Sam and Cait continues to keep us all swooning.
I AM SUPPOSE TO BE IN BED ...NOT WATCHING YOU LASSIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If the Scottish people could watch episode 6, I'm sure the independence vote would win by a landslide !
ReplyDeleteThis is probably the reason, why they can't watch it yet in UK.
DeleteAt 50:56 you speak of BJR as he tells Claire that what he and Jamie created together was beautiful. That is the moment, I think, he realized that he REALLY liked Jamie and became a bit fixated on him in a very unhealthy way. I am curious to see BJR's reaction to the fact that he won't have Claire to kick around.
ReplyDeleteA possible easter egg for next week from the book, Claire and Jamie marry in the same chapel as Claire and Frank.
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This episode really played well off of the first. Clair worked on leg wounds in both episodes and her efforts were seemingly dismissed when the male physician showed up. Claire knew what Frank did during the war but they hadn't had enough time together to deal with the traumas they both suffered in service. BJR's fake plea for her sympathy must have been exactly what she had hoped to hear from Frank. Which "blow" did she feel more - the physical or the mental?
ReplyDeleteSweeeeeeet recap ladies! The video and audio quality was awesome.
ReplyDeleteTalk about Easter eggs... did you notice what was lying next to the shaving razor on the Title Card at the start of the episode? Frank's 1940s wrist watch! (confirmed by Ron M.) You hit the nail on the head - this episode did a great job portraying Claire's mind-freak over seeing Frank's face on the body of this monster.
OMG, Tobias was amazing! All of those facial tics, sneers, teeth baring, chewing motions totally gave me the creeps. I know why he poured the bottle of claret out the window - because he prefers a nice chianti with his fava beans!
While we're giving out rewards, let's save one for scriptwriter Ira Steven Bahr. What a genius! I hear he also wrote the other 3 episodes that deal with BJR.
I was inappropriately unfazed by the physical gore of the flailing because I was utterly transfixed by the psychological horrors of Randall's narration of that scene. (shudder)
I think that any thought of Randall having any redeemable factors went POOF the second he gut punched Claire. MIKEY LIKES IT! I also think that BJR (and Tobias) are just playing us with all of this "damaged by the things he's seen during the war" bullcrap. BJR was damaged long before the war - the war simply gave him an arena to play out his sick fantasies. But I do think that Claire was naively attributing the remorse that Frank was struggling with (from episode 1) to Randall.
Loved Dougal coming to the rescue! Dude was BRINGING IT! He can grind my corn any day!
Loved the Claire-Jamie encounter and Claire stomping off with Dougal's whiskey at the end. I thought it was very well done, and it was the perfect mind bleach that I needed after watching all of those BJR scenes.
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"I know why he poured the bottle of claret out the window - because he prefers a nice chianti with his fava beans!"
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LOL! I kept expecting him to make that sucking sound that Anthony Hopkins made after delivering that line.
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Val Gal, loved that storming off with Dougal's whisky encounter too. Did you notice when the young clansman (Willie?) nudges Dougal as Claire approaches - as if to say - OK watch out, here she comes... ...such a great touch.
DeleteI fell in love with Willie in that scene after the bar room brawl when Claire was giving the boyz a scolding while she was patching them up. Those puppy dawg eyes of his just made me go awwwww! I feel very materrrrr-nal about him. I swear, if they sent him off to Culloden I'm gonna stomp my granny arse right out on to the battlefield and drag him home by the ear!
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Sorry for me I havn't seen this episode (I'm from Canada, eh) Just a thought about Johnny not Lord John. Could it be that Claire has a run in with him at Wentworth Prison, perhaps has to remorsefully kill him?
ReplyDeleteInteresting thought. I do hope we see that wee lad again!!
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ReplyDeleteWhen I watched the Episode for the first time, all I could think during Randalls and Claires redemption Talk was that BJR is way beyond redemption at this point. He might have been able to redeem himself a few years ago, but that ship has sailed. I think that he DID tell the truth, but not because he wants to be redeemed, but to bullshit and lure in Claire. He told her what she wanted to hear. In that he totally reminded me of one of those deep sea fish which have some sort of lantern dangling from their nose to catch other fish. Show them what they like, lure them in and eat them when they least expect it. BJR knew he had her when he said 'that made you happy'.
On a different note, I LOVED the way Sam delivered the 'at least one of us should ken what they're doing'. You could tell that he is secretly looking forward to it. He really looked like a 23 year old virgin who is happy to finally 'do it' with a braw lassie ;) He is burning, and she would have noticed if she wouldn't have been so distressed.
Enjoying your video, gals. I was surprised to hear BJR use the term "rehabilitate" when talking about himself.... it's not a term I would expect to hear someone use in the 18th C. What do you think?
ReplyDeleteInteresting. Here's the etymology from New Oxford (aka the Mac dictionary): ORIGIN late 16th cent. (in the sense ‘restore to former privileges’): from medieval Latin rehabilitat-, from the verb rehabilitare (see re-,habilitate) .
DeleteSo I guess it's plausible that the word might exist...but yeah, it does have a 21st century ring to it....
Love, love, love you guys. Thank you for this site. I am a new-comer to the Outlander books, having just started reading them this summer. (yes, I am kicking myself for waiting so long) and am currently on book 5. Black Jack Randall is a psychopath and sadist. Yes, he has seen war and brutality, but that did not change him. He merely lucked into a situation (the military) where his brutality can be unleashed with impunity. The comment about what a "masterpiece" this flaying was consolidated for me his love of inflicting pain and suffering. It made my skin crawl. And poor Claire is sitting there weeping because I think she is trying to reconcile how this monster can possibly be related to the husband she knew and loved.
ReplyDeleteI think this is a turning point in how she sees Jamie. His refusal to cave in to Randall's torture casts him in a new light, I think. His suffering appeals to her nurse's heart. Recall that despite being flustered at the thought of a forced marriage, she is still trying to find a way to escape! Keep up the great work!! Counting the minutes till next episode!
--Helen
Just so you all know... I KNEW that was Brian! From the moment I saw him I said screamed out that's him!
ReplyDeleteI have to say that Tobias was AMAZING in this episode. For some reason I have a hard time watching him. I can't pin it down as to why but there was no question that he was absolutely awesome. In the books you learn to not like BJR because of his actions in the past and some that are yet to be on screen but his interactions with Claire never scared me. Even the part in the book that the last episode touched on wasn't scary in the books. The episode was incredibly terrifying and quite revealing. I mean... shit just got real y'all.
That's it for today. LOL
Great as always ladies!
How fun it would be to sit in person with you guys and 'chat'! Love to watch your videos and keep up with your posting. I live in the Nebraska Panhandle....where we actually do not have 'high speed internet'. We have to have Satellite and you get penalized if you go over the allotted bandwidth. I must tell you, it is well worth it to pay $10 extra for 1 GB so my internet will get in your videos - if I have gone over the bandwidth. Fun Fun Fun
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ReplyDeleteThis episode was gob smackingly good! I'm still walking around in a daze.
A few tidbits: A dragoon is a mounted infantry officer - cavalry. In our F & I reenacting unit, Rogers' Rangers, those hats are called bonnets and are usually always worn on the same side because they form to the head after a while.
Dougal.....oh my. He is just a woollen ball of whiskery, manly confoundedness, huh? He can save my day any day of the week! He reminds me so much of my husband, too. Physically & sometimes personality. He seemed to have softened more to Claire when she told LT "Not Lord John" that she was a guest of the MacKenzies. I loved when he virtually shoved CPL Hawkins off Claire with a look alone!
Speaking of LT "Not Lord John" I definitely agree that we'll be seeing him again. Wentworth, I'm thinking?
In re-watching the episode, I noticed two things about the dinner scene with Gen Thomas. Dougal's accent seemed to have broadened and I think he did it to make the General look uncomfortable in front of his men (because the General is obviously an asshat.) After Dougal left, they melded things together to show the passage of time as they ate. Did you notice that one of those somewhat blurry smoothed over parts was actually the next bit of conversation when Claire said, "In that case, I'll have some more wine." I was surprised they showed that twice. Hmmm.
The whole bit with the razor was gripping (both past and present.) I cannot even describe the approach to the entire BJR/flogging scenes. Chilling, gory, fantastic. The flogging was so much worse than I could've imagined. My mouth is still hanging open.
As Claire was listening to BJR and also later when she was reading the marriage contract, I couldn't help but wonder if she thought, "If I ever get back, how can I look into Frank's eyes the same?" I'm sure she'd daydream about explaining all this to Frank, how would he ever believe her about the ancestor he idolized?
I also noticed Claire's hair at St. Ninnian's spring. I'd assumed they'd ridden through the rain, again. The treatment of her hair is just, just, sigh.
When she and Jamie are chatting about the marriage, she would have been so bewildered by the events of the day (which Jamie would've heard all about) I'm sure Jamie's politeness was an endearing change, even though she was having the day from hell. And his virginity a smile maker, if nothing else.
My lone criticism of the show is that we've seen so little of Jamie's character. I could've done with fewer horse hooves in exchange for more of Jamie's personality and the friendship between he and Claire that develops. It's a shame that the TV only audience doesn't know about that friendship. :-(
I thought the ending of this episode was perfect! (Gosh, she reminds me so much of me sometimes. It's what originally caught me hook, line and sinker into the books. Now I know I definitely must sound like a crazy fan, LOL!)
See you next week! I'll still be blotting my forehead with my handkerchief, I'm sure... ;-)
-Donna
"Woolen ball of whiskery, manly, confoundedness" LOVE IT!
DeleteJohnny "Not Lord John" Redcoat needs a theme song. How about "Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier"...
ReplyDeleteOh I wish I were on yonder hill
It's there I'd sit and cry my fill
'Til every tear would turn a mill
My Johnny's gone for a soldier
Well, Johnny, my love, he went away
He would not heed what I did say
He won't be back for many's a day
My Johnny's gone for a soldier
Shule, shule, shule a gra
Oh shule, oh shule and he loves me
When he comes back, he will marry me
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
I'll sell my rack, I'll sell my reel
I'll sell my only spinning wheel
And buy my love a sword of steel
My Johnny's gone for a soldier
I'll dye my petticoat, I'll dye it red
Around the world I'll bake my bread
'Til I find my love alive or dead
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
Shule, shule, shule a gra
Oh shule, oh shule and he loves me
When he comes back, he will marry me
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
But now my love, he has gone to France
To try his fortune to advance
If he returns, it is but a chance
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
Shule, shule, shule a gra
Oh shule, oh shule and he loves me
When he comes back, he will marry me
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
I wish, I wish, I wish in vain
I wish I had my heart again
'Tis gladly I would not complain
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
Shule, shule, shule a gra
Oh shule, oh shule and he loves me
When he comes back, he will marry me
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
Shule, shule, shule a gra
Oh shule, oh shule and he loves me
When he comes back, he will marry me
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
My Johnny, he has gone for a soldier
Anon - you are awesome for posting this. I sent it to Tracey and said I think I'll be doing a little word-subbing. ;) And PS - you should hear our song about Diana's hubby, Doug!!! At some point, that video WILL BE MADE!!! :)
DeleteWhat was the thing with Black Jack's mouth when talking alone with Claire? Or am I thinking weird? It was like...inside his mind..he was ready for attack mode. Geez he gets an award for looking so wicked and loving it. What a deceiver he was.
ReplyDeleteLove your show. It has become my Monday ritual to listen while I work.
ReplyDeleteThis weeks episode was awesomely disturbing. My husband whose not read the books watches with me. He was totally shocked by the last 15 minutes but I knew what was coming. I don't mind the spoilers as I've read this series of books only once over the course of years and it helps jog my memory. You know, so many books, so little time. I did wonder if the gentleman at the flogging was Brian as I remembered he was supposed to witness it.
It brings a whole new meaning to series to see it played out in real time. To remember these are real people having real emotions (even though it is acting). When you read the books of course it is disturbing, sad, and a plethora of other emotions but seeing it gives a way different perspective. BJR did an amazing job of making us hate him and long for his demise.
BJR is hard to watch. He makes these little like gopher movements with his mouth that just adds to the ugliness of his character. He is a sadist and and probably a little narcissistic. You can see that he hated Jamie for not giving in but it's hard to tell if it's personal at this point or if he would have treated anyone who stood up to him that way. Of course later in the series, it's all made clear.
It would be horrible to try to keep love and feelings alive for someone in the future when they look so much like the monster sitting across from you in the past. How would you reconcile the two in your mind? Especially when Claire goes back to the future. Will be interesting to see how it plays out and what the flashbacks look like then.
Claire and Frank love each other you can tell. Is it a love born out of mutual respect, some attraction and they have the same career? Who knows as love has different levels. Jamie's love on the other hand is all consuming and encompasses every being of your fiber. It's a once in a life time kind of love. I can't wait to see it unfold in real time. :)
Great job on the podcast, can't wait to hear your thoughts next week.
We love you back, Anon. I often wonder if I'd have been able to listen to/watch a vid like ours back when I was working in an office...and the answer is always an emphatic YES. LOL I'd just look around...giggle a bit...put in earphones...and make damn sure to have a spreadsheet of some sort up on my screen so I could flip back and forth. ;)
DeleteAnd PS - Thank YOU for taking the time to type all this out!!! :)
I don't think BJR had PTSD or saw 'horrors' during his time in the military to cause him to go dark. Speaking strictly from the tv series, listen to what he actually says in that scene. He says he used to be a different man. That he thought serving his king and country in Scotland would be great, but then found the Scots to be stupid and violent (no implication of anything horrific) and then began to hate the world. So basically, he just became a monster because of job dissatisfaction, not because of some traumatic experience that scarred him emotionally. I think that makes him even more twisted!
ReplyDeleteGreat podcast!! And since you asked, I LOVE the spoilers! I mean come on, you two ARE book readers, and I think it's a great shame that we wouldn't be able to get some of your perspectives on the books vs. the series. Not all the way through though. The people who don't want to be spoiled should be able to enjoy too. I like the one video where you had the little starry spoiler alert effects.
I just want to say how much I enjoy this podcast each week, You guys do such a great job of breaking it all down and in such an entertaining way. Thanks so much for the smiles!
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Please don't call him 'Johnny not Lord John' etc. his name is McBaby Handsomeness !!!
ReplyDeleteROFLMAO ANON!!!!! OMG It's so funny. I wish I could answer all these posts but yours made me almost spit out my coffee...and I had to tell you. I seriously thought you were going to give us shit about calling him that...until I saw "McBaby Handsomeness"...and then I just about peed my pantalones. THANK YOU for the laugh!!!! :)
DeleteI loved, loved, loved this episode, and yes, Tobias was genius!! I thought this change in how Claire gets to meet BJR again makes perfect sense. You are both so right in saying this episode really brought the tensions of the time to life. As to why Dougal didn't go upstairs after the amputation. I think he was making himself scarce, just like she told him to. You totally crack me up with the horror movie comparison!! Too true!! I also chuckle every time you call Sir Thomas Lord General or whatever--did you watch Gilbert & Sullivan's The Mikado this week or something?? Too funny! I totally agree with Tracy again this week, with her interpretation of Jamie's delivery of the, "As long as you don't care that I am..." lines. I pictured it as him using his witty humor. But the book is a work of art, everyone interprets it differently, and I am loving the chance to see this interpretation each week!
ReplyDeleteWell, I could quote most of Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are" in answer to whether you guys should do your recaps any differently, but I'll just say "Please, don't!" Like many of us, you are true long-term fans of the books. There's nothing you need to fix. Your perspective is fun, honest, and entertaining, and your enthusiasm is contagious. As far as I'm concerned, your videos are "FRESH" - NOT "spoiled!!" At the most, maybe post a general, all-purpose warning that you are book fans, that you do attempt to alert for spoilers, but that slip-ups can occur (sh*t happens) so "view at your own risk." Just my two cents.
ReplyDeleteAs for this episode: Back when I read the corresponding scene in the book and Claire gets punched, I remember feeling bruised, winded, and nauseous right along with her. Cat definitely portrayed perfectly the pain and shock of that blow - a blow that was not just a physical blow, but a blow to her trust in the basic rules of behavior between an English officer and a lady. I'm only surprised that after the comment about Claire perhaps sharing Dougal's bed, that they didn't keep the line about how if she were with child, she wouldn't be now - just to add that extra dollop of "ick" to BJR.
Reading the books, I have often wondered if Frank ever came across a written description of a "Mrs. Claire Beauchamp" in any of BJR's notes or letters. Now, I'm wondering whether a sketch of her might have been in any of BJR's papers. DG has given us so many nuggets of possibilities in her books. I've even wondered if Frank's first encounter with Claire - supposedly while consulting with Uncle Lamb about Egyptian religious philosophy (or something of that nature) - was really as serendipitous as it sounded. Don't you just love a good mystery?
Oooh, I like that thought! Very insightful!
DeleteAnd BTW, my brother-in-law watched with us this week and said that a lot of people at his work are talking about the show. I didn't ask for specifics or demographics, but it sounds like a good sign. This last episode should REALLY get them talking!
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for the hilarious and inciteful commentary. It gets me through the week until the next episode.
ReplyDeleteI have some thoughts about BJR.
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I really appreciate DG's inclusion of gay characters, good and bad. I think BJR has some huge self loathing issues about he attraction sexually to men. Not feminine men, but strong, manly, virile men who do not crack under pressure. Jack is a man's man who also is a misogynist. He would prefer if women didn't inhabit his world. They are "soft" and conniving deceivers. Claire was clearly crying when he was drawing her and when we saw the sketch she didn't look sad. She looked calculating. He has hated the world and his lot for a long time. The military just gives him the perfect venue to express his cruelty. "I dwell in darkness, Madame. " Indeed!
I have more also but not until DIA next season.
Thanks for all the posts. Jen hyatt
Your recaps are way too much fun. Literally LOL
ReplyDeleteI think this episode will eclipse even next weeks in epic-ness. We will see!!
Re: Spoilers
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if those that have only seen the TV show, and hasn't read the books, are following bloggers just yet. I take the stance that any site I follow, I'll come across spoilers at some point, so they are all enter at my own risk.
I think it stifles discussion and thought processes to be self editing. Sure, dont bring things in that happen in later books, but I think anything within book 1 is all good. (And I'm one that tries to avoid spoilers! But if I'm on a fan site, or watching episode recaps, I expect things will be said. For me, it's all or nothing. If I reallllly don't want spoilers, I won't open the site)
I also am not clear as to why the 'unnamed man' during the flogging is a big deal to know that he was there. I don't think it's a spoiler..knowing who that is doesn't give away plot, or really add to the story either. It's more of a nugget of information.
Some book-only scenes may clarify things for non-book readers. It may fill in some blanks, or explain the layers of what's happening in scenes that they can't fit together.
MM in MN
Loved your recap as usual! Tracey you were wondering how claire missed that everyone had left for the skirmish (commander asshat ). from personal experience when you are into an emergency situation like she was with that amputation, you get totally focused on the task at hand and you dont pay any mind to who is doing what in your periphery. so I totally believed she was just trying to back track and figure out where every one had got to.
ReplyDeleteI noticed a tick, both jack and frank, they clear their throat the same, frank does it when he first sits one the B&B bed and takes out a book and Jack does it during his interrogation. I watched claires face and she is just tearing up but something like that would be unnerving.
Dying for next week, cannot wait!!!
Sally
Thanks Sally!!! :)
DeleteYour comments are like having someone fun to chat about our favorite show. Don't worry one iota about spoilers because they only serve to wet the appetite for what's to come. Yes, I would agree the Wedding episode should be epic. I love being able to watch over and again because there is so much to pick up and enjoy. One time thru only serves as temptation. please continue your fabulous ideas and interpretations because they serve to make watching Outlander all that much more enjoyable. Do you happen to know when the second half of the season begins in January, 2015? Keep up the delights exchanges!
ReplyDeleteOoooh Chris...I wish! I keep thinking February...but that's just because I'm (sadly) a bit of a tv series hound...and that seems to be when a lot of them come back.
Delete(Hey, at least I'm watching shows like Vikings on the History channel...and not "The Kardashians Do Dallas...AND Manhattan." ;) LOL Sorry - couldna resist!)
Love tha chat ladies...one strong opinion here, re "Dougal and the Brits". The brilliance of this scene and reparte is absolutely the palapable condescending/subhuman attitude the English felt for the Scots...and Dougal's awareness of it . Right off the giddyup, Claire was announced and and the BG cut off the soldier before he could properly announce Dougal...as if he were not even there. Secondly, I feel strongly that the BG probably knew what Dougal said at first, but deliberately made it obvious that he couldn't understand him. As my Dad would say, "He did it Deliberate!" --as a brush off. That is all for now...oh one more thing I caught on some other blog by a non-reader, " If they (J & C) don't bone in the next episode, I'm writing a scathing letter to STARZ! HA! PS...Blitz-read the series last fall and am forever changed for the better. You ladies kept me slightly sane till MOBY arrived. XOX
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THANKS Susie!! And PS - "Subhuman" is the best description I've read in a looooong time. Nice work! AND - I agree that BG knew what Dougal said. Douche. I'd like to kick him in his oh-too-proper arse!!!
DeleteI don't think this was Ft. William. Lt Cute Babyface "invited" Claire to come speak to his commander where they are currently headquartered, and I think while at Ft. William, BJR is in charge, as the Garrison Commander. I think the officers at the dinner at not usually there - but I could be wrong about that.
ReplyDeleteGreat commentary, as usual. Thank you both!
the officers were at the inn not the fort. The lord general would not want to give up his comforts
DeleteJust want to send out a collective THANK YOU to all you guys for posting your comments. I LOVE reading them all and try to answer. Some weeks I'm pretty good...others I kinda suck. But I want you to know I get email updates when a comment comes in and I read EVERY SINGLE ONE of them - and I know Tracey does, too. So KEEP 'EM COMING!!! :)
ReplyDeleteLove your videos. That said, I must comment.
ReplyDeleteI think that the "marriage contract" scene is played perfectly by Sam and Cait. Sam shows the most obvious suppressed glee in his body language and expressions as he sits down with Clare to discuss the marriage contract. The inner conflict Jamie has been feeling from the beginning of how to deal with (and keep hidden) his increasing sexual and emotional desire for Clare is obviously lightened substantially by the unexpected solution of being "required" to marry her. Especially when he can publicly play the martyr/hero for sacrificing his future to save her, but is really motivated to resolve his increasingly urgent emotional and physical need to be intimate with her. When Clare grabs the bottle to get drunk before signing the marriage contract, Sam plays Jamie so well that in an instant we see the barb to his heart and then his resolve. She clearly doesn't care that it is a slap to Jamie's pride (personally and publicly) that she so obviously does not wish to marry him. In the eye rolling glance he gives the men and then his desirous look to her as she stalks away with the bottle, we see his feelings hurt, but then his quick recovery and resolve that his dignity can take the punch and much more for the prospect of a sexual relationship with Clare. Absolutely awesome acting by Sam and Cait AND big applause for the director, producers, writers and everyone involved with this show. With all the build up, I can only hope the "wedding night" and romantic chemistry between Sam and Cait continues to keep us all swooning.
What a wonderful post. I truly enjoyed reading this. PTSD
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