Loved the recap. When I heard the voiceover "You know the movie" I also thought Claire broke the fourth wall. Perhaps this is the transitioning / aka telling the story to another character? Hmmmm . . . .
Love your recap, girls! Well, honestly, this episode had aspects that were incredible, but aspects--specifically Fergus--that were the worst. When Claire handed the baby to Louise, oh gosh, so emotionally powerful. All of Claire's grief was well done. I thought everything with the king was well done. The Fergus flashbacks--I don't know who needs to visually see child rape in order to understand it's despicable and horrific. I fast forwarded most of that and I'm frustrated that they would even do that to a child actor! I feel like in their desperation to push boundaries, they don't think there should be boundaries at all. Well, to me, even having a child act that out is unnecessary. I knew they would 'go there' because they're always so proud of 'going there' (who knows why. I don't think desensitizing people to the horror of rape culture helps anything). Sorry but I feel strongly about this! (GOT is overusing this too.) okay, moving on, somehow Sam Heughan can make even that bushy beard cute! I just love him as Jamie.
Because we all know what happened to Fergus, it was a sad scene.I thought the most explicit part of it was the thrusting part. But it was an upper body shot of Tobias. Perhaps that was filmed separately without Roman beneath him? The rest, the tossing around and smothering, as isolated actions, outside of context, they didn't seem that traumatic for a child actor.
It was a superb episode with the exception of the Fergus flashback scenes with BJR. Nothing would have been lost on the audience's understanding of Jamie's rage had they editing out the thrusting (at the very least). In fact in could have been much more powerful leaving up a lot it to our imaginations. On a lighter note, Jamie's beard caught be by surprise, but then I was quickly focused on his emotions and reconnecting to Claire.
Hi ladies, thank you for another wonderful recap! I appreciate all the time you put into it and all the things you do for Outlander fans!
I thought this episode was AMAZING, pretty close to perfect. I was so glad too, because I have really not liked season two so far.
I think the only other comment I have is that I'm really glad they had Claire telling Jamie about doing it with the King. I just liked that she was upfront about it. I was a little uncomfortable with the way it was written in the book, with the nettles and him asking if he should beat her etc..
In the book I think Raymond told Clair to call "the red man" because he knew her thinking of Jamie would pull her back from the brink of death. That's what I thought any way. Also in the book I think Claire says it was not sexual in any way.
SPOILER ALERT: The following contains info about Master Raymond that is beyond Dragonfly in Amber!
Anon - this has been on my mind all day!!! So I did a little digging on Diana Gabaldon's FAQ page on her website. Here's what I found:
"He has a rather strong aversion to Vikings, owing to events that happened in his own time; hence his nervousness when he sees Jamie. He’s afraid of them, but he also realizes just what a strong life-force they have–that’s why he makes Claire invoke it (using the sexual and emotional link between her and Jamie) to heal her."
I could delve into that info all day (especially as a "Vikings" and "The Last Kingdom" fan!) That's why I hope DG still plans on writing a Master Raymond series. :)
3 hours and 50 minutes, until I can see it in Canada. I already know the missing things you didn't get, like the St. Andrew apostle spoon, for the patron saint of Scotland. But, no matter how many recaps and breakdowns I've read, still have my box of Kleenex and whisky ready, for copious tears and sobbing. Will Tom have seen it yet, by the time we chat tomorrow night?
Another great recap and much needed! This was a fantastic episode but I am gutted. I hope Caitriona Balfe has somewhere to put her Emmy. If she isn't nominated and/or doesn't win, there is something really wrong with that award process! She was incredible. She makes you feel everything Claire is feeling in every scene she’s in.
While Caitriona owned this episode, Sam Heughan was fantastic (the beard not so much). Jamie and Claire have a bond that while tested can never be broken. The final scene at Faith’s grave broke my heart. But on a funny note, all I kept thinking is someone’s going to steal that spoon!
I really enjoyed the little moments with Suzette, Magnus, Fergus and Louise. You could see how Claire was trying to keep it together when she saw Suzette - she looks into her eyes and then nods. But the Magnus scene broke my heart...I loved that she thanked him, took his hand and bowed. This is the essence of Claire to me. I am curious what Deep Outlander Thoughts by Tom will have to say about this episode ;)
While the BJR scene with Fergus was beyond disturbing and further demonstrated the evil that is BJR but I loved how fiercely Jamie fought on behalf of Fergus showing this special bond that they have developed. That also came through with Fergus and Claire.
The scene with Louise was perfection with my favorite part being when Louise said, "She's an angel." I am excited to go back to Scotland but I will miss Mother Hildegarde. Again, perfection. The beauty of Diane’s story is that we meet so many great characters along the way…even if for a short time.
They did a great job telling this story in this episode...there really is a lot in this book that I have forgotten about. With that said, Carol, I too loved the "rock" scene from the book. I'm hoping elements of that will appear in a later episode.
Thank you again...you gals are great fun to watch and much appreciated!
I'm so glad that I found you ladies online. You're wonderfully wicked and help me to feel better about loving the show while enjoying a good laugh at Jamie's beard. This week's episode was great but stuffed with all sorts of fantastic record scratching moments like poor Fergus being left alone! WTF?! Didn't Jamie get him and dress him in the book? Missed that! Or Faith's headstone reading 1744... didn't they arrive in France in 1745? Is there a tradition that I'm missing there? But definitely the moment that sent me into hysterics was Fergus brushing Claire's curly hair dry with a brush. He wasn't even making a dent! It was so cute, but my own curly hair cringed at the thought.
It took me another view or two to stop feeling that some of the episode was heavy handed, but overall I enjoyed it and am looking forward to getting the heck out of France. I can't imagine what added scene could "jump the shark"... I'm just hoping that they leave Lord John alone and don't mess up the scene at the standing stones. I wonder if it will be between Jamie and BJR.....
The date stamps in the first two episodes of this season were a mistake. It confused many fans. One of the show's executive producers tweeted out that yes, indeed, the date was supposed to be 1744, NOT 1745. The dates have since been corrected on those two episodes.
Just watched The Birds, and I swear Tipi Hedren had the same Tangee Lipstick and matching coral fingernails as Claire did in the library with Breanna. Tangee was super popular, and still available at Vermont Country store online. Claire's outfit in that scene was spectacular.
I agree this episode was one of the best. All of the minor/supporting actors have been excellent. Stanley Webber, Lionel Lingelser, Frances de la Tour, and Dominique Pinon deserve special mention. Kinda sad not to see them again. I read the books up to Voyager many years ago, and don't remember details. Thank you for the fun recaps. -Pam
In the book I think Raymond told Clair to call "the red man" because he knew her thinking of Jamie would pull her back from the brink of death. That's what I thought any way. Also in the book I think Claire says it was not sexual in any way.
Love your recap. I have a problem with the hateful way Claire looked at Jamie when she told him about Faith's birth. Catrina does that face ... pursed lips with anger a lot. I think what I miss in the show and in this scene is the inner dialog where even when Claire is mad at him she is feeling his pain and seeing his anguish but it doesn't come across on screen. That's the kind of voice over I'd like ... the many times she is thinking about him and his feelings. Still is was a good episode. One thing that disturbed me was the really odd dress Claire had on when Jamie came home ... all chains and maybe a knife! What? She looked silly to me in that dress. She really spend time putting on all that nonsense when she was going thru all this heart ache. I got distracted by the outfit when she came to the door. Either she was dressed as a dominatrix, a soldier or a pirate.
Agree that Claire's expression while telling Jamie about the baby was one-dimensional and needed some alternating anguish for Jamie. Apart from that one thing, i felt that Claire's performance was outstanding. There are a lot of very good actresses, but very few make me cry like Catriona has... actually, Meryl Streep is the only other one. Class of their own <3.
Look a little closer at the dress: it has a thistle brooch - it was a Scottish flare for Claire while in Paris.
Grace I wrote comment above yours. Thanks for asking me to take a closer look at the dress that disturbed me so much. Yes I see ... now I can relax and re-watch the scene without being annoyed by her outfit. Good catch on your part. I
I must be misinformed, but I thought that 'jumping the shark' thing was generated by a person who normally bashes the show, is very heavy-handed against all involved, including DG and really should not be given any other clicks or press. I thought that DG only expressed her opinion against that 'jumping the shark' craziness. (And yes, I have this person blocked already.)
Love this episode (except the rape part)! I agree with Pam...so going to miss Master Raymond, the Compte, and Louise! Had my very first Outlander cry! When Claire was screaming, "Where is my baby?" I was screaming where are my tissues? And when Fergus was brushing her hair...OMG....that was PERFECTION!
I agree...when Claire came home from the hospital and she didn't even acknowledge Suzette (who must have felt terrible about tell her about the duel)...that was kind of cold on Claire's part. And when Magnus was about to bow and she stopped him and bowed to him was my Lord of the Rings (RotK) moment.
So great when the Compte realized that Master Raymond had poisoned him and knew he was going to die...and pretty much just said, "Ef all y'all!" LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that!
That sex scene between Claire and the king = WORST.SEX.EVER...
In the scene when Jaime returns, I was so happy to hear Claire say something was HER fault...yay. And I didn't mind Jaime's beard too much because this is how I had him pictured in my mind when I read Outlander. His hair just needed to be a little longer, but I had him pictured with a Grizzly Adam kind of beard. I just wished this one looked more real.
As has been said....could have done without the rape scenes. Fergus' telling was enough. They keep saying that the sex scenes are not gratuitous, but I think the rapes and the sheer number are. IMHO
Hope to make it tomorrow for chat and on Hang Outlander!
One more thing....couldn't believe the Compte spoke English!! He had not spoken a word of English...until this episode....why???? I loved that he only spoke French!
Thanks for the recap – and the laughs! We needed them after this episode! Right now, I’m feeling a bit giddy myself.
I REALLY loved this episode, and it feels so good to be able to say that again after so long! In fact, I needed to gush about it so badly that I finally (after years of lurking) signed up over at CompuServe just so I could throw in my two cents worth after streaming the show late Friday night. I suppose this is what comes of my stubborn aversion to FaceBook and Twitter. Carol, how about pre-recap posts for those of us who are too childishly impatient to wait to comment? You could title them something like “***Ep. 207: For Spoiled Brats*** Maybe have a picture of Linda Richman saying “Talk amongst yourselves, you impatient little MOPsters.” OK, just a silly thought. “Don’t go changin’ to try and please me…” :)
Caitriona Balfe is absolutely BRILLIANT in this episode! We all knew she was great, but this work is SUPERB!
The pacing of the scenes is perfect. I appreciate the time, the weight, and the reverence that the pacing allows in the scenes of grief. This is an episode that needed room for breathing, and we got that room. Oh, and that slow walk from the carriage to Magnus and into the house was heartbreaking!
Every supporting character in this episode becomes SO three-dimensionally human. I especially love how Louise is used, being shown as a caring friend to Claire. St. Germain in the Star Chamber - well, for once I was more wowed by his acting than by his face. It may have been poison, but he sure didn’t go out with a whimper.
Toni Graphia wrote a wonderful script. I am especially glad for the scene where Claire admits to guilt about Frank and blames herself for the baby’s loss – because I think it is easy to miss that in the book. Claire's worry for Frank is already hard for some to understand, but by making Claire pushy and meddlesome this season, I was afraid the show was skirting too close to the point of no redemption for Claire. I am glad Graphia went that extra step to make it clear that Claire felt the burden of guilt for many things, Faith included, and to hopefully redeem her for the viewers – and perhaps some book readers as well. Though I read those post-duel scenes in DIA as a slow-motion drowning for Claire into a deep sea of depression and guilt, using anger and blame to push Jamie away as her ultimate way of punishing herself, I know not everyone went away from the book with that impression. As fans, we think that finding and loving Jamie is a huge win for Claire, but we forget just how much the woman has endured in her short life. Especially in the aftermath of Wentworth, Claire has had to be a rock for Jamie, when she is in as much need of tender care herself. I’ve seen complaints that Claire is selfish, but the only truly selfish thing that Claire has done is to choose Jamie. She chooses to stay with the man she loves, in a time that is not her own, regardless of how her presence might affect the future. Her choice carries a burden of guilt because it IS a selfish choice. But how can we possibly wish she had chosen differently?
The only part of the episode I could have done without was seeing any of what happened to Fergus. The camera should have kept us with Claire and shown the dawning realization on her face of what likely happened and how she understood that her empty arms now had someone who truly needed her.
The beard on Jamie WAS distracting, mostly because every time he talked and I saw his big front teeth amongst all that fuzz, I could only think of ewoks.
The spoon was St. Andrew – for a little bit of Scotland.
FWIW, my favorite movie involving “breaking the fourth wall” is Woody Allen’s “Love and Death.” Hilarious!
Looking back over this, I could have saved a little time by just saying, “Wow!” But what would be the fun in that?!?
I thought it was ok that St G. spoke English, since his life was at stake w/Claire. For once, she had all the power. And SO loved King L. (go back to when he and Claire first meet and watch his sexy little head-wiggle. Oooo Forshadowing!)
At J and C's last scene, loved the call back to: 'that's what I should want'. I didn't mind Jamie's beard, cuz I was mesmerized by watching his face aged by his grief. Just couldn't believe Sam was in there somewhere. King of Actors!
Good recap and great laughs. I tend to laugh along with you girls even when I don't know why! Heartbreaking episode but my favorite scenes were Claire bowing to Magnus...beautifully done. And her singing to Faith...oh my goodness that was wonderful.
One of the first movies I saw where they "broke the 4th wall" was "Tom Jones".
Hey, great recap. I cannot think of another tv show that has shown the grief if losing a child with such depth. It is a grief that is often not acknowledged because few people feel connected to the unborn baby, except the parents. I hope this helps people think about those who have lost babies. Not my cross to bear, but I do have friends who have lost more than one and each time a dream dies. I hope Claire realized that she would have lost Faith anyway, because that would be horrible guilt to bear. I am surprised that they didn't use the line "now there are two of us" in this episode since they paraphrased it and it so important to the rest of the series. I feel the "never another" scene will happen later, but I can live without the cave and the nettles. When is season 3 going to get announced? Trying to tweet during the broadcast so Stars will have proof of ratings. Favourite fourth wall TV: House of Cards.
Thank you, gals, for a terrific laugh. I laughed and laughed with you. It was a good release for such an emotional episode. That beard was distracting. I agree, Carol: I miss some of my favorite scenes, like the Hand scene at the Abbey, but I see in the preview each week Claire stroking Jamie's hand, so maybe they have put it in a later episode. The Trellis scene, when Jamie comes to Fontainbleau to see Claire is special, one of those I reread, where Claire tells Jamie she doesn't want to feel anything any more, which is why she is rejecting him, and then their slow coming together again, is so beautiful. Maybe they will put that in later. I wonder sometimes if Ron just isn't interested in showing loving Jamie, the exquisite lover who talks to Claire after sex. I think it's one of the reason s I love Jamie so, and not too many Real Men talk in bed like that. I also could have done without the Fergus rape scene. Come on, a semple unclasping of BJR's pants would have been enough. We would get it. I wondered, before I saw the episode, if Ronan's (? boy actor's name) mother, who I guess was on the set a lot, was present during filming and approved of this. She would have had to. It was an unnecessary scene. Too much. I thought the Star Chamber scene went on too long, but I loved the actors. Wasn't King Louis delicious? I couldn't take my eyes off him. I love that hint of malice Lionel added. I loved Claire's F.U. snatching of the orange as she left. It was a beautiful hour of television. It flowed so well, and Cait's acting was spectacular. It's too bad they overdid it with the rape scene.
Wow! I finally finished watching your recap and Susan here basically captured what I was going to say. Thanks gals! I'll try to catch That's Normal chat tonight.
OMG! I loved this episode. My daughters and I were glued to the TV and we usually play a drinking game every time we hear "Mahk me", "Jamie" and "Sassenach" but not at this one and we drank anyway. Caitriona was wonderful and it was all in her eyes. When coming home and looking at Suzette I didn't get the "dismissal" feeling at all. I got the "I'll be fine...must be strong" vibe that she gave her. Loved, loved the bow to Magnus and the thanks.. he so didn't expect it. The best part is when Claire finally, finally admitted to herself and to Jamie that it was her fault about the baby. It wasn't really of course but her knowing that she put Frank first before Jamie, baby and the impossible task she held Jamie to brought Claire's character back to me. She made her choice and Frank's not there, so that scene definitely deserved a literal shout out to the TV, "Damn right, you finally see it!" The rape scene did not need the "thrust" and Jamie/Sam need to keep his face clean shaven forever. Peace out.
OMG! I loved this episode. My daughters and I were glued to the TV and we usually play a drinking game every time we hear "Mahk me", "Jamie" and "Sassenach" but not at this one and we drank anyway. Caitriona was wonderful and it was all in her eyes. When coming home and looking at Suzette I didn't get the "dismissal" feeling at all. I got the "I'll be fine...must be strong" vibe that she gave her. Loved, loved the bow to Magnus and the thanks.. he so didn't expect it. The best part is when Claire finally, finally admitted to herself and to Jamie that it was her fault about the baby. It wasn't really of course but her knowing that she put Frank first before Jamie, baby and the impossible task she held Jamie to brought Claire's character back to me. She made her choice and Frank's not there, so that scene definitely deserved a literal shout out to the TV, "Damn right, you finally see it!" The rape scene did not need the "thrust" and Jamie/Sam need to keep his face clean shaven forever. Peace out.
Enjoyed your recap, the rape scene was over the top. The ending with that ridiculous fake beard on Jamie ruined the whole vibe with Claire. The idiot make-up person should be fired!!!!
I loved the reverence given to this episode. The imagery of the blue heron and later blue wings. The blue of the Madonna's robe. Mother Hildegarde's hands cupping Claire's face then clasped in a prayer after the sad news of the baby leaves her lips. I think I leaned forward as she spoke...shattering! Master Raymond finally looked the way I imagined without his wig, and a bit unkempt. I always thought he looked a tad too perfect in his somewhat fancy shop. Different from what I imagined from the book. When Fergus escorted Claire home and through the doorway, it reminded me briefly of the wedding episode when she stepped through the doorway of the church and Jamie and Dougal were standing behind her (right before she put her wedding ring down the front of her dress)Fergus looked up at her in concern, much the same way Jamie had watched her. So many brilliant little moments. Now I officially want the season to slow down!!! Do you guys realize we are over halfway through season 2. Oh NO!!!! They haven't announced season 3 yet. When they might start filming, how many years before we see it???....purgatory indeed.
I haven't finished watching the recap yet, but couldn't wait to high five you for loving the opening 1954 scene as much as I did. I didn't care for the beard either and wondering why they felt he needed one. I mean, he didn't have one at Wentworth. Maybe it's the Four Seasons of prisons compared to the Bastille.
Bravo to Caitriona, et al for a most marvelous episode and to you two for a great recap. I love the laughs you add every week and you always catch something I missed which prompts a rewatch. Besides the "where's my baby " scene, my favorite was the Claire coming home scene - the blue flowers from Fergus, the tears from Claire and Suzette, and Claire's little bow to Magnus were so sweet. Nuff said about the beard. It was horrible and I am dismissing it from my mind. I'm missing Saffron Tom. Bring him back soon.
Loved your recap, kept me laughing, especially your Kris Kringle comment. Loved the opening, how they showed Master Raymond healing Claire, Cait's portrayal of Claire's grief, Claire's realization that she had been putting Frank before her family. I thought Claire's (not Cait's) performance in the Star Chamber was a bit over the top. In my mind's eye, she was wearing dominatrix boots and a whip! Master Raymond and the Count looked like beaten puppies as they stood in front of her. Telling the king he had blackness in his heart? Was she trying to get her head chopped off? I know they write Claire as strong and empowered but, to me, it seemed a bit unbelievable that Claire could have played it that confident in the Star Chamber. It slipped back into believable when the king grabbed Claire by the hand and lead her back into his bedroom. Claire's comment "F@ck the king," that she made to BJR in Versailles came back to haunt her.
Claire and Jamie's reunion left me sad, as Carol says, it's so difficult to distance myself from the book. I remembered loving Jamie so much in this scene, feeling his grief, as well as Claire's, hearing how he had agonized about Claire's well-being, not knowing if she was alive or dead, had been tormented about the idea of her having sex with the king, as well as grieving the baby. I sure didn't remember him saying anything like "Frank is your family, too." I had to go back and read DIA and I hope those watching the show will read it, cause Toni Graphia is great, but no one does it like Diana. I noticed some of Jamie's lines were taken from his voiceover in "The Reckoning," in season 1. Was the beard, which looked like it had been taken from Murtaugh and dyed red, really necessary? Still struggling with the feeling that things in the show are so Claire-centric and that Jamie is shortchanged. Cait's performance was Emmy worthy, I wish they would give Sam more of a chance to show his acting ability. All that said, I still find enough in the show to keep me watching, but I'm thinking more and more of it as "based on" rather than an adaptation.
Hope to catch you two on Hangoutlander tonight. Thanks for your recaps, they keep me laughing. And I will be really interested to hear what Tom thinks of Claire now.
About the beard, I follow Sam on Instagram and for a while there he was sporting a beard (there is a picture I think of him with half a beard in the process of shaving it), that looked much more realistic! So I wonder why on earth they used a fake beard? Truly, to me he's adorable no matter what! But even a spotty real beard is better than super bushy! Lol! And for sure the scene in Diana's book goes much deeper and you really feel Jamie's pain, along with Claire's. I've missed book Jamie this whole season.
I'm really sorry that the beard incident has taken away from Sam's performance. He looked truly hearbroken and,physically, like he had be in a horrible place for weeks. Shame on the makeup people and editors for not catching this. Not his fault.
Just a question-I read the reviews by Tom and Lorenzo. They are usually spot-on and so insightful. So, this week they made the comment that the show is going to need to make some hard decisions, specifically about maybe cutting unnecessary plots. They think the episodes are too jam packed and feel like a lot of little somethings that don't really add up. I took it that they thought the whole scene in the star chamber and the poisoning of the Comte took too much time away from Claire and the baby's death. Any non-book readers feel the same? I personally was a little shocked they felt this way because they seem to love the show.
Also, I haven't seen this posted anywhere else but in reference to Claire being so ticked off at Jamie, I kept thinking that if it were ME, I would be fit to be tied that he got his sorry butt tossed in prison and left me alone to deal with the miscarriage!
I think the star chamber scene had to be there! It gave me time to breathe a little and a break from all the crying I was doing! Yes there is more that I might've wanted to see between Jaime and Claire, but there is no way I would have wanted this to be something that was cut.
I loved the recap (as always) and the episode. First - yes I have heard of the 4th wall. Young Frankenstein comes to mind for that :)
I know all you book readers know what is coming, but that opening got me. It makes you happy (yeah! Claire and Jaime will be making that daughter soon!), but then it depresses you because you are going to have to find out exactly what made her go through those stones again.
The beard made me giggle at first, but it really didn't take me long to get back into the scene. Jaime looked so haggard and tired and hurt. All that played on Sam's face even though that giant furball was there.
I have seen several comments about people missing book Jaime. I just want to say that even though he might not be exactly how you want him to be played/written for - he is still pretty great. I mean as a non-reader I fell in love with him, so there's that. But, I know it's hard when people mess with a character you love (I'm looking at you Days of Our lives).
I'm happy we are getting out of Paris and really looking forward to next week.
Great recap, ladies! And i hope your convalescence is quick, Carol :)
Not yet knowing the books, there have been so few things in this series that i don't like, but here's one: i appreciated your discussion of the scene in the rockery when Jamie returns from the Bastille. The biggest thing that i haven't like at all so far was in S1-9 (The Reckoning, my own favourite episode) when Claire holds the dirk to Jamie's neck during their make-up sex after the spanking - is that how it transpires in the book??? Jamie had just explained how he had just watched a *chieftain* change his mind and his heart toward his own brother, and he used that as an example for his own conduct AND THEN swears fealty to Claire, a promise so solemn that death and nothing else was the only answer to breaking it, and Sam's rendering of it was so incredibly sweet. It's occurred to me that Claire's behaviour was another chance to assert her girl-power, but it just didn't work for me. They were needing dignity to be restored for both of them, and i think that accepting his oath (even with that angry expression where she curls her lips around her teeth) would have been a better move. So as that scene from The Reckoning still sticks like a thistle up my nose, i would have been able to forgive it if i could see Jamie all up in Claire's face making an equal demand of her in this episode - it's also so completely true as Sam Heughan says himself that he's at his performing peak when he can get into such an emotionally challenging place. i can't wait to read the rockery scene now!
Other thoughts The beard nearly destroyed the episode for me too. i envy the people who saw Jamie's grief and torment through it. i couldn't get past the cosmetic abomination (although i forgave Sam long ago for anything he could possibly get wrong); Sam's own stubble would have sufficed indeed. Loved your laughter over it :D Stanley Weber was such a deliciously brooding menace as St. Germaine. Very sad that he had to go so quickly; but he did it with noble gusto.
i read a couple of entries in Bear McCreary's blog today. His music scores are perfecting this whole extraordinary production for me - as much a character (or something) as the Scotland scenery. And now the Faith theme... This story and its manifestation in film is killing me. Possibly in a good way? i do worry with how obsessed i am with everything about it...
If you haven't, you must,must,MUST reads the books. I envy the fact that you may not have read them and therefore have eight wonderful books , (plus various accompanying material) to look forward to. Do not fear the obsession..give in!
As I recall, the dagger (or dirk?) scene in the book does not even occur in a bedroom, but during Jamie and Claire's journey back to Leoch. Jamie relates several effective stories of times when he was at the receiving end of the type of "justice" he had doled out to Claire. He then asks if she will "have him' again (this was after a night or two of Claire refusing to share a bed). After consideration, she agrees, but draws out her dagger and threatens him if he ever tries such shenanigans again. Jamie takes it away from her and then uses it to swear his oath to never again raise his hand against her. So, the show does switch the order of events with the dagger. I don't know if they thought giving Claire the last word would make her appear more empowered, but I didn't like the switch, and much prefer the way it was done in the book.
Ah, thank you dolittle. Can't wait to read it in the book, then - that just makes more sense. i'm glad to see that i'm not the only one for whom the episode scene was disappointing.
Still in the middle of watching..... but I had to pop in to say that I _never_ though the Master Raymond healing scene in the book was erotic. At all. So I admit, I'm having a little chuckle there. ;) I recall mention that he had a finger inside, but I think it being more that he was using some sort of healing energy to zap whatever infection was inside her.... and that he was getting her to call on "The Red Man" to call on their connection to help link her to a strong life force... though I may be projecting there. ~Dee
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ReplyDeleteLoved the recap. When I heard the voiceover "You know the movie" I also thought Claire broke the fourth wall. Perhaps this is the transitioning / aka telling the story to another character? Hmmmm . . . .
ReplyDeleteLove your recap, girls! Well, honestly, this episode had aspects that were incredible, but aspects--specifically Fergus--that were the worst. When Claire handed the baby to Louise, oh gosh, so emotionally powerful. All of Claire's grief was well done. I thought everything with the king was well done. The Fergus flashbacks--I don't know who needs to visually see child rape in order to understand it's despicable and horrific. I fast forwarded most of that and I'm frustrated that they would even do that to a child actor! I feel like in their desperation to push boundaries, they don't think there should be boundaries at all. Well, to me, even having a child act that out is unnecessary. I knew they would 'go there' because they're always so proud of 'going there' (who knows why. I don't think desensitizing people to the horror of rape culture helps anything). Sorry but I feel strongly about this! (GOT is overusing this too.) okay, moving on, somehow Sam Heughan can make even that bushy beard cute! I just love him as Jamie.
ReplyDeleteHi Brandy, I didn't mind the beard too much either. It really made his face look gaunt and made his eyes look so intense.
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Because we all know what happened to Fergus, it was a sad scene.I thought the most explicit part of it was the thrusting part. But it was an upper body shot of Tobias. Perhaps that was filmed separately without Roman beneath him? The rest, the tossing around and smothering, as isolated actions, outside of context, they didn't seem that traumatic for a child actor.
DeleteIt was a superb episode with the exception of the Fergus flashback scenes with BJR. Nothing would have been lost on the audience's understanding of Jamie's rage had they editing out the thrusting (at the very least). In fact in could have been much more powerful leaving up a lot it to our imaginations. On a lighter note, Jamie's beard caught be by surprise, but then I was quickly focused on his emotions and reconnecting to Claire.
DeleteHi ladies, thank you for another wonderful recap! I appreciate all the time you put into it and all the things you do for Outlander fans!
ReplyDeleteI thought this episode was AMAZING, pretty close to perfect. I was so glad too, because I have really not liked season two so far.
I think the only other comment I have is that I'm really glad they had Claire telling Jamie about doing it with the King. I just liked that she was upfront about it. I was a little uncomfortable with the way it was written in the book, with the nettles and him asking if he should beat her etc..
See y'all Monday for chat!
Lisa
In the book I think Raymond told Clair to call "the red man" because he knew her thinking of Jamie would pull her back from the brink of death. That's what I thought any way. Also in the book I think Claire says it was not sexual in any way.
DeleteSPOILER ALERT: The following contains info about Master Raymond that is beyond Dragonfly in Amber!
DeleteAnon - this has been on my mind all day!!! So I did a little digging on Diana Gabaldon's FAQ page on her website. Here's what I found:
"He has a rather strong aversion to Vikings, owing to events that happened in his own time; hence his nervousness when he sees Jamie. He’s afraid of them, but he also realizes just what a strong life-force they have–that’s why he makes Claire invoke it (using the sexual and emotional link between her and Jamie) to heal her."
I could delve into that info all day (especially as a "Vikings" and "The Last Kingdom" fan!) That's why I hope DG still plans on writing a Master Raymond series. :)
3 hours and 50 minutes, until I can see it in Canada. I already know the missing things you didn't get, like the St. Andrew apostle spoon, for the patron saint of Scotland. But, no matter how many recaps and breakdowns I've read, still have my box of Kleenex and whisky ready, for copious tears and sobbing. Will Tom have seen it yet, by the time we chat tomorrow night?
ReplyDeleteAnother great recap and much needed! This was a fantastic episode but I am gutted. I hope Caitriona Balfe has somewhere to put her Emmy. If she isn't nominated and/or doesn't win, there is something really wrong with that award process! She was incredible. She makes you feel everything Claire is feeling in every scene she’s in.
ReplyDeleteWhile Caitriona owned this episode, Sam Heughan was fantastic (the beard not so much). Jamie and Claire have a bond that while tested can never be broken. The final scene at Faith’s grave broke my heart. But on a funny note, all I kept thinking is someone’s going to steal that spoon!
I really enjoyed the little moments with Suzette, Magnus, Fergus and Louise. You could see how Claire was trying to keep it together when she saw Suzette - she looks into her eyes and then nods. But the Magnus scene broke my heart...I loved that she thanked him, took his hand and bowed. This is the essence of Claire to me. I am curious what Deep Outlander Thoughts by Tom will have to say about this episode ;)
While the BJR scene with Fergus was beyond disturbing and further demonstrated the evil that is BJR but I loved how fiercely Jamie fought on behalf of Fergus showing this special bond that they have developed. That also came through with Fergus and Claire.
The scene with Louise was perfection with my favorite part being when Louise said, "She's an angel." I am excited to go back to Scotland but I will miss Mother Hildegarde. Again, perfection. The beauty of Diane’s story is that we meet so many great characters along the way…even if for a short time.
They did a great job telling this story in this episode...there really is a lot in this book that I have forgotten about. With that said, Carol, I too loved the "rock" scene from the book. I'm hoping elements of that will appear in a later episode.
Thank you again...you gals are great fun to watch and much appreciated!
I'm so glad that I found you ladies online. You're wonderfully wicked and help me to feel better about loving the show while enjoying a good laugh at Jamie's beard. This week's episode was great but stuffed with all sorts of fantastic record scratching moments like poor Fergus being left alone! WTF?! Didn't Jamie get him and dress him in the book? Missed that! Or Faith's headstone reading 1744... didn't they arrive in France in 1745? Is there a tradition that I'm missing there? But definitely the moment that sent me into hysterics was Fergus brushing Claire's curly hair dry with a brush. He wasn't even making a dent! It was so cute, but my own curly hair cringed at the thought.
ReplyDeleteIt took me another view or two to stop feeling that some of the episode was heavy handed, but overall I enjoyed it and am looking forward to getting the heck out of France. I can't imagine what added scene could "jump the shark"... I'm just hoping that they leave Lord John alone and don't mess up the scene at the standing stones. I wonder if it will be between Jamie and BJR.....
The date stamps in the first two episodes of this season were a mistake. It confused many fans. One of the show's executive producers tweeted out that yes, indeed, the date was supposed to be 1744, NOT 1745. The dates have since been corrected on those two episodes.
DeleteJust watched The Birds, and I swear Tipi Hedren had the same Tangee Lipstick and matching coral fingernails as Claire did in the library with Breanna. Tangee was super popular, and still available at Vermont Country store online. Claire's outfit in that scene was spectacular.
ReplyDeleteI agree this episode was one of the best. All of the minor/supporting actors have been excellent. Stanley Webber, Lionel Lingelser, Frances de la Tour, and Dominique Pinon deserve special mention. Kinda sad not to see them again. I read the books up to Voyager many years ago, and don't remember details. Thank you for the fun recaps.
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In the book I think Raymond told Clair to call "the red man" because he knew her thinking of Jamie would pull her back from the brink of death. That's what I thought any way. Also in the book I think Claire says it was not sexual in any way.
ReplyDeleteLove your recap. I have a problem with the hateful way Claire looked at Jamie when she told him about Faith's birth. Catrina does that face ... pursed lips with anger a lot. I think what I miss in the show and in this scene is the inner dialog where even when Claire is mad at him she is feeling his pain and seeing his anguish but it doesn't come across on screen. That's the kind of voice over I'd like ... the many times she is thinking about him and his feelings. Still is was a good episode. One thing that disturbed me was the really odd dress Claire had on when Jamie came home ... all chains and maybe a knife! What? She looked silly to me in that dress. She really spend time putting on all that nonsense when she was going thru all this heart ache. I got distracted by the outfit when she came to the door. Either she was dressed as a dominatrix, a soldier or a pirate.
ReplyDeleteAgree that Claire's expression while telling Jamie about the baby was one-dimensional and needed some alternating anguish for Jamie. Apart from that one thing, i felt that Claire's performance was outstanding. There are a lot of very good actresses, but very few make me cry like Catriona has... actually, Meryl Streep is the only other one. Class of their own <3.
DeleteLook a little closer at the dress: it has a thistle brooch - it was a Scottish flare for Claire while in Paris.
Grace I wrote comment above yours. Thanks for asking me to take a closer look at the dress that disturbed me so much. Yes I see ... now I can relax and re-watch the scene without being annoyed by her outfit. Good catch on your part. I
DeleteI must be misinformed, but I thought that 'jumping the shark' thing was generated by a person who normally bashes the show, is very heavy-handed against all involved, including DG and really should not be given any other clicks or press. I thought that DG only expressed her opinion against that 'jumping the shark' craziness. (And yes, I have this person blocked already.)
ReplyDeleteNo, I read it on compuserve too where Diana said they made a change that she felt was jumping the shark.
DeleteGood to know, thank you Brandy!
DeleteLove this episode (except the rape part)! I agree with Pam...so going to miss Master Raymond, the Compte, and Louise! Had my very first Outlander cry! When Claire was screaming, "Where is my baby?" I was screaming where are my tissues? And when Fergus was brushing her hair...OMG....that was PERFECTION!
ReplyDeleteI agree...when Claire came home from the hospital and she didn't even acknowledge Suzette (who must have felt terrible about tell her about the duel)...that was kind of cold on Claire's part. And when Magnus was about to bow and she stopped him and bowed to him was my Lord of the Rings (RotK) moment.
So great when the Compte realized that Master Raymond had poisoned him and knew he was going to die...and pretty much just said, "Ef all y'all!" LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that!
That sex scene between Claire and the king = WORST.SEX.EVER...
In the scene when Jaime returns, I was so happy to hear Claire say something was HER fault...yay. And I didn't mind Jaime's beard too much because this is how I had him pictured in my mind when I read Outlander. His hair just needed to be a little longer, but I had him pictured with a Grizzly Adam kind of beard. I just wished this one looked more real.
As has been said....could have done without the rape scenes. Fergus' telling was enough. They keep saying that the sex scenes are not gratuitous, but I think the rapes and the sheer number are. IMHO
Hope to make it tomorrow for chat and on Hang Outlander!
One more thing....couldn't believe the Compte spoke English!! He had not spoken a word of English...until this episode....why???? I loved that he only spoke French!
DeleteThanks for the recap – and the laughs! We needed them after this episode! Right now, I’m feeling a bit giddy myself.
ReplyDeleteI REALLY loved this episode, and it feels so good to be able to say that again after so long! In fact, I needed to gush about it so badly that I finally (after years of lurking) signed up over at CompuServe just so I could throw in my two cents worth after streaming the show late Friday night. I suppose this is what comes of my stubborn aversion to FaceBook and Twitter. Carol, how about pre-recap posts for those of us who are too childishly impatient to wait to comment? You could title them something like “***Ep. 207: For Spoiled Brats*** Maybe have a picture of Linda Richman saying “Talk amongst yourselves, you impatient little MOPsters.” OK, just a silly thought. “Don’t go changin’ to try and please me…” :)
Caitriona Balfe is absolutely BRILLIANT in this episode! We all knew she was great, but this work is SUPERB!
The pacing of the scenes is perfect. I appreciate the time, the weight, and the reverence that the pacing allows in the scenes of grief. This is an episode that needed room for breathing, and we got that room. Oh, and that slow walk from the carriage to Magnus and into the house was heartbreaking!
Every supporting character in this episode becomes SO three-dimensionally human. I especially love how Louise is used, being shown as a caring friend to Claire. St. Germain in the Star Chamber - well, for once I was more wowed by his acting than by his face. It may have been poison, but he sure didn’t go out with a whimper.
Toni Graphia wrote a wonderful script. I am especially glad for the scene where Claire admits to guilt about Frank and blames herself for the baby’s loss – because I think it is easy to miss that in the book. Claire's worry for Frank is already hard for some to understand, but by making Claire pushy and meddlesome this season, I was afraid the show was skirting too close to the point of no redemption for Claire. I am glad Graphia went that extra step to make it clear that Claire felt the burden of guilt for many things, Faith included, and to hopefully redeem her for the viewers – and perhaps some book readers as well. Though I read those post-duel scenes in DIA as a slow-motion drowning for Claire into a deep sea of depression and guilt, using anger and blame to push Jamie away as her ultimate way of punishing herself, I know not everyone went away from the book with that impression. As fans, we think that finding and loving Jamie is a huge win for Claire, but we forget just how much the woman has endured in her short life. Especially in the aftermath of Wentworth, Claire has had to be a rock for Jamie, when she is in as much need of tender care herself. I’ve seen complaints that Claire is selfish, but the only truly selfish thing that Claire has done is to choose Jamie. She chooses to stay with the man she loves, in a time that is not her own, regardless of how her presence might affect the future. Her choice carries a burden of guilt because it IS a selfish choice. But how can we possibly wish she had chosen differently?
The only part of the episode I could have done without was seeing any of what happened to Fergus. The camera should have kept us with Claire and shown the dawning realization on her face of what likely happened and how she understood that her empty arms now had someone who truly needed her.
The beard on Jamie WAS distracting, mostly because every time he talked and I saw his big front teeth amongst all that fuzz, I could only think of ewoks.
The spoon was St. Andrew – for a little bit of Scotland.
FWIW, my favorite movie involving “breaking the fourth wall” is Woody Allen’s “Love and Death.” Hilarious!
Looking back over this, I could have saved a little time by just saying, “Wow!” But what would be the fun in that?!?
I thought it was ok that St G. spoke English, since his life was at stake w/Claire. For once, she had all the power. And SO loved King L. (go back to when he and Claire first meet and watch his sexy little head-wiggle. Oooo Forshadowing!)
ReplyDeleteAt J and C's last scene, loved the call back to: 'that's what I should want'. I didn't mind Jamie's beard, cuz I was mesmerized by watching his face aged by his grief. Just couldn't believe Sam was in there somewhere. King of Actors!
Good job you two!!
Yes, I know about the 4th wall.
ReplyDeleteNo one has mentioned the music in the final scene, I loved it.
ReplyDeleteGood recap and great laughs. I tend to laugh along with you girls even when I don't know why! Heartbreaking episode but my favorite scenes were Claire bowing to Magnus...beautifully done. And her singing to Faith...oh my goodness that was wonderful.
ReplyDeleteOne of the first movies I saw where they "broke the 4th wall" was "Tom Jones".
Hey, great recap. I cannot think of another tv show that has shown the grief if losing a child with such depth. It is a grief that is often not acknowledged because few people feel connected to the unborn baby, except the parents. I hope this helps people think about those who have lost babies. Not my cross to bear, but I do have friends who have lost more than one and each time a dream dies. I hope Claire realized that she would have lost Faith anyway, because that would be horrible guilt to bear.
ReplyDeleteI am surprised that they didn't use the line "now there are two of us" in this episode since they paraphrased it and it so important to the rest of the series.
I feel the "never another" scene will happen later, but I can live without the cave and the nettles.
When is season 3 going to get announced? Trying to tweet during the broadcast so Stars will have proof of ratings.
Favourite fourth wall TV: House of Cards.
Thanks again,
Therese
My favorite line "there are two of us now." It comes back too.. Still waiting to hear Sam say that line!,,
DeleteThank you, gals, for a terrific laugh. I laughed and laughed with you. It was a good release for such an emotional episode. That beard was distracting. I agree, Carol: I miss some of my favorite scenes, like the Hand scene at the Abbey, but I see in the preview each week Claire stroking Jamie's hand, so maybe they have put it in a later episode. The Trellis scene, when Jamie comes to Fontainbleau to see Claire is special, one of those I reread, where Claire tells Jamie she doesn't want to feel anything any more, which is why she is rejecting him, and then their slow coming together again, is so beautiful. Maybe they will put that in later. I wonder sometimes if Ron just isn't interested in showing loving Jamie, the exquisite lover who talks to Claire after sex. I think it's one of the reason s I love Jamie so, and not too many Real Men talk in bed like that.
ReplyDeleteI also could have done without the Fergus rape scene. Come on, a semple unclasping of BJR's pants would have been enough. We would get it. I wondered, before I saw the episode, if Ronan's (? boy actor's name) mother, who I guess was on the set a lot, was present during filming and approved of this. She would have had to. It was an unnecessary scene. Too much.
I thought the Star Chamber scene went on too long, but I loved the actors. Wasn't King Louis delicious? I couldn't take my eyes off him. I love that hint of malice Lionel added. I loved Claire's F.U. snatching of the orange as she left.
It was a beautiful hour of television. It flowed so well, and Cait's acting was spectacular. It's too bad they overdid it with the rape scene.
Wow! I finally finished watching your recap and Susan here basically captured what I was going to say. Thanks gals! I'll try to catch That's Normal chat tonight.
DeleteOMG! I loved this episode. My daughters and I were glued to the TV and we usually play a drinking game every time we hear "Mahk me", "Jamie" and "Sassenach" but not at this one and we drank anyway. Caitriona was wonderful and it was all in her eyes. When coming home and looking at Suzette I didn't get the "dismissal" feeling at all. I got the "I'll be fine...must be strong" vibe that she gave her. Loved, loved the bow to Magnus and the thanks.. he so didn't expect it. The best part is when Claire finally, finally admitted to herself and to Jamie that it was her fault about the baby. It wasn't really of course but her knowing that she put Frank first before Jamie, baby and the impossible task she held Jamie to brought Claire's character back to me. She made her choice and Frank's not there, so that scene definitely deserved a literal shout out to the TV, "Damn right, you finally see it!"
ReplyDeleteThe rape scene did not need the "thrust" and Jamie/Sam need to keep his face clean shaven forever. Peace out.
OMG! I loved this episode. My daughters and I were glued to the TV and we usually play a drinking game every time we hear "Mahk me", "Jamie" and "Sassenach" but not at this one and we drank anyway. Caitriona was wonderful and it was all in her eyes. When coming home and looking at Suzette I didn't get the "dismissal" feeling at all. I got the "I'll be fine...must be strong" vibe that she gave her. Loved, loved the bow to Magnus and the thanks.. he so didn't expect it. The best part is when Claire finally, finally admitted to herself and to Jamie that it was her fault about the baby. It wasn't really of course but her knowing that she put Frank first before Jamie, baby and the impossible task she held Jamie to brought Claire's character back to me. She made her choice and Frank's not there, so that scene definitely deserved a literal shout out to the TV, "Damn right, you finally see it!"
ReplyDeleteThe rape scene did not need the "thrust" and Jamie/Sam need to keep his face clean shaven forever. Peace out.
Enjoyed your recap, the rape scene was over the top. The ending with that ridiculous fake beard on Jamie ruined the whole vibe with Claire. The idiot make-up person should be fired!!!!
ReplyDeleteIt was St. Andrew..I think he is the patron saint of Scotland.
ReplyDeleteI loved the reverence given to this episode. The imagery of the blue heron and later blue wings. The blue of the Madonna's robe. Mother Hildegarde's hands cupping Claire's face then clasped in a prayer after the sad news of the baby leaves her lips. I think I leaned forward as she spoke...shattering!
ReplyDeleteMaster Raymond finally looked the way I imagined without his wig, and a bit unkempt. I always thought he looked a tad too perfect in his somewhat fancy shop. Different from what I imagined from the book.
When Fergus escorted Claire home and through the doorway, it reminded me briefly of the wedding episode when she stepped through the doorway of the church and Jamie and Dougal were standing behind her (right before she put her wedding ring down the front of her dress)Fergus looked up at her in concern, much the same way Jamie had watched her. So many brilliant little moments.
Now I officially want the season to slow down!!! Do you guys realize we are over halfway through season 2. Oh NO!!!! They haven't announced season 3 yet. When they might start filming, how many years before we see it???....purgatory indeed.
I haven't finished watching the recap yet, but couldn't wait to high five you for loving the opening 1954 scene as much as I did. I didn't care for the beard either and wondering why they felt he needed one. I mean, he didn't have one at Wentworth. Maybe it's the Four Seasons of prisons compared to the Bastille.
ReplyDeleteBravo to Caitriona, et al for a most marvelous episode and to you two for a great recap. I love the laughs you add every week and you always catch something I missed which prompts a rewatch.
ReplyDeleteBesides the "where's my baby " scene, my favorite was the Claire coming home scene - the blue flowers from Fergus, the tears from Claire and Suzette, and Claire's little bow to Magnus were so sweet. Nuff said about the beard. It was horrible and I am dismissing it from my mind.
I'm missing Saffron Tom. Bring him back soon.
Hey Tracy and Carol,
ReplyDeleteLoved your recap, kept me laughing, especially your Kris Kringle comment. Loved the opening, how they showed Master Raymond healing Claire, Cait's portrayal of Claire's grief, Claire's realization that she had been putting Frank before her family. I thought Claire's (not Cait's) performance in the Star Chamber was a bit over the top. In my mind's eye, she was wearing dominatrix boots and a whip! Master Raymond and the Count looked like beaten puppies as they stood in front of her. Telling the king he had blackness in his heart? Was she trying to get her head chopped off? I know they write Claire as strong and empowered but, to me, it seemed a bit unbelievable that Claire could have played it that confident in the Star Chamber. It slipped back into believable when the king grabbed Claire by the hand and lead her back into his bedroom. Claire's comment "F@ck the king," that she made to BJR in Versailles came back to haunt her.
Claire and Jamie's reunion left me sad, as Carol says, it's so difficult to distance myself from the book. I remembered loving Jamie so much in this scene, feeling his grief, as well as Claire's, hearing how he had agonized about Claire's well-being, not knowing if she was alive or dead, had been tormented about the idea of her having sex with the king, as well as grieving the baby. I sure didn't remember him saying anything like "Frank is your family, too." I had to go back and read DIA and I hope those watching the show will read it, cause Toni Graphia is great, but no one does it like Diana. I noticed some of Jamie's lines were taken from his voiceover in "The Reckoning," in season 1. Was the beard, which looked like it had been taken from Murtaugh and dyed red, really necessary? Still struggling with the feeling that things in the show are so Claire-centric and that Jamie is shortchanged. Cait's performance was Emmy worthy, I wish they would give Sam more of a chance to show his acting ability. All that said, I still find enough in the show to keep me watching, but I'm thinking more and more of it as "based on" rather than an adaptation.
Hope to catch you two on Hangoutlander tonight. Thanks for your recaps, they keep me laughing. And I will be really interested to hear what Tom thinks of Claire now.
About the beard, I follow Sam on Instagram and for a while there he was sporting a beard (there is a picture I think of him with half a beard in the process of shaving it), that looked much more realistic! So I wonder why on earth they used a fake beard? Truly, to me he's adorable no matter what! But even a spotty real beard is better than super bushy! Lol! And for sure the scene in Diana's book goes much deeper and you really feel Jamie's pain, along with Claire's. I've missed book Jamie this whole season.
DeleteI'm really sorry that the beard incident has taken away from Sam's performance. He looked truly hearbroken and,physically, like he had be in a horrible place for weeks. Shame on the makeup people and editors for not catching this. Not his fault.
DeleteJust a question-I read the reviews by Tom and Lorenzo. They are usually spot-on and so insightful. So, this week they made the comment that the show is going to need to make some hard decisions, specifically about maybe cutting unnecessary plots. They think the episodes are too jam packed and feel like a lot of little somethings that don't really add up. I took it that they thought the whole scene in the star chamber and the poisoning of the Comte took too much time away from Claire and the baby's death. Any non-book readers feel the same? I personally was a little shocked they felt this way because they seem to love the show.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I haven't seen this posted anywhere else but in reference to Claire being so ticked off at Jamie, I kept thinking that if it were ME, I would be fit to be tied that he got his sorry butt tossed in prison and left me alone to deal with the miscarriage!
Non-book reader here....
DeleteI think the star chamber scene had to be there! It gave me time to breathe a little and a break from all the crying I was doing! Yes there is more that I might've wanted to see between Jaime and Claire, but there is no way I would have wanted this to be something that was cut.
I loved the recap (as always) and the episode. First - yes I have heard of the 4th wall. Young Frankenstein comes to mind for that :)
ReplyDeleteI know all you book readers know what is coming, but that opening got me. It makes you happy (yeah! Claire and Jaime will be making that daughter soon!), but then it depresses you because you are going to have to find out exactly what made her go through those stones again.
The beard made me giggle at first, but it really didn't take me long to get back into the scene. Jaime looked so haggard and tired and hurt. All that played on Sam's face even though that giant furball was there.
I have seen several comments about people missing book Jaime. I just want to say that even though he might not be exactly how you want him to be played/written for - he is still pretty great. I mean as a non-reader I fell in love with him, so there's that. But, I know it's hard when people mess with a character you love (I'm looking at you Days of Our lives).
I'm happy we are getting out of Paris and really looking forward to next week.
Kim
Great recap, ladies! And i hope your convalescence is quick, Carol :)
ReplyDeleteNot yet knowing the books, there have been so few things in this series that i don't like, but here's one: i appreciated your discussion of the scene in the rockery when Jamie returns from the Bastille. The biggest thing that i haven't like at all so far was in S1-9 (The Reckoning, my own favourite episode) when Claire holds the dirk to Jamie's neck during their make-up sex after the spanking - is that how it transpires in the book??? Jamie had just explained how he had just watched a *chieftain* change his mind and his heart toward his own brother, and he used that as an example for his own conduct AND THEN swears fealty to Claire, a promise so solemn that death and nothing else was the only answer to breaking it, and Sam's rendering of it was so incredibly sweet. It's occurred to me that Claire's behaviour was another chance to assert her girl-power, but it just didn't work for me. They were needing dignity to be restored for both of them, and i think that accepting his oath (even with that angry expression where she curls her lips around her teeth) would have been a better move.
So as that scene from The Reckoning still sticks like a thistle up my nose, i would have been able to forgive it if i could see Jamie all up in Claire's face making an equal demand of her in this episode - it's also so completely true as Sam Heughan says himself that he's at his performing peak when he can get into such an emotionally challenging place. i can't wait to read the rockery scene now!
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The beard nearly destroyed the episode for me too. i envy the people who saw Jamie's grief and torment through it. i couldn't get past the cosmetic abomination (although i forgave Sam long ago for anything he could possibly get wrong); Sam's own stubble would have sufficed indeed. Loved your laughter over it :D
Stanley Weber was such a deliciously brooding menace as St. Germaine. Very sad that he had to go so quickly; but he did it with noble gusto.
i read a couple of entries in Bear McCreary's blog today. His music scores are perfecting this whole extraordinary production for me - as much a character (or something) as the Scotland scenery. And now the Faith theme...
This story and its manifestation in film is killing me. Possibly in a good way? i do worry with how obsessed i am with everything about it...
Xx
Grace,
DeleteIf you haven't, you must,must,MUST reads the books. I envy the fact that you may not have read them and therefore have eight wonderful books , (plus various accompanying material) to look forward to. Do not fear the obsession..give in!
As I recall, the dagger (or dirk?) scene in the book does not even occur in a bedroom, but during Jamie and Claire's journey back to Leoch. Jamie relates several effective stories of times when he was at the receiving end of the type of "justice" he had doled out to Claire. He then asks if she will "have him' again (this was after a night or two of Claire refusing to share a bed). After consideration, she agrees, but draws out her dagger and threatens him if he ever tries such shenanigans again. Jamie takes it away from her and then uses it to swear his oath to never again raise his hand against her. So, the show does switch the order of events with the dagger. I don't know if they thought giving Claire the last word would make her appear more empowered, but I didn't like the switch, and much prefer the way it was done in the book.
DeleteAh, thank you dolittle. Can't wait to read it in the book, then - that just makes more sense. i'm glad to see that i'm not the only one for whom the episode scene was disappointing.
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ReplyDeleteStill in the middle of watching..... but I had to pop in to say that I _never_ though the Master Raymond healing scene in the book was erotic. At all. So I admit, I'm having a little chuckle there. ;)
ReplyDeleteI recall mention that he had a finger inside, but I think it being more that he was using some sort of healing energy to zap whatever infection was inside her....
and that he was getting her to call on "The Red Man" to call on their connection to help link her to a strong life force... though I may be projecting there.
~Dee
i've also read somewhere about the life-force piece that "The Red Man" was supposed to conjure for Claire.
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